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In this episode of the ARCHITECHT Show, co-hosts Barb Darrow and Derrick Harris speak with Cloud Foundry Foundation executive director Abby Kearns about running one of the biggest, and still growing, open source projects in the cloud world. Among other things, Kearns discusses Cloud Foundry's history and evolution; where it fits into today's world of containers and Kubernetes; how the foundation works with leading cloud providers; and how she's been able to manage lots of large enterprise vendors without losing control of the project. In the news segment, Barb and Derrick discuss Red Hat's increasingly cloudy (and containery) revenues, and why IBM should let its tech do the talking with Watson.