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Daniel Ingram and Michael Taft talk about the Fire Kasina practice, how making mental objects the focus can lead to deep awakening, balancing wisdom and faith, processing trauma with meditation practice, and how beauty can be a great support and inspiration on the path. Daniel shares about his experiences and spiritual development with Fire Kasina work, co-teaching with Culadasa, the increasing numbers of people attaining stream entry, and the over-diagnosis of attainment. Also discussed is Michael’s experience with faith and guru based practice, the effects of of impermanence insight on concentration, “hindrances for smart people,” rapture, and more. Daniel Ingram is an emergency medicine physician and long-time dharma practitioner. He is the author of the seminal text Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha — now out in its second edition — and also the main force behind the radical dharmaoverground website, which specializes in a brand of unusually-frank discussion of meditation.   Links Dharma Treasure The Mind Illuminated (TMI) Shinzen Young Shannon Stein/The Hermitage DY Fire Kasina Interview Trauma Sensitive Mindfulness The Body Keeps the Score DY Stream Entry Interview with Culadasa Show Notes 2:26 – Daniel’s recent visit to Dharma Treasure 4:34 – Daniel’s teaching model 9:11 – Fire Kasina update 12:16 – The “Play and Fun” of Fire Kasina work 17:23 – Waking up the mind 25:14 – How Daniel processed trauma from working in emergency medicine 27:12 – Hindrances for smart people 29:22 – How skillful faith can clear the way through the analytical mind 32:45 – Michael’s shift from sarcasm and skepticism to beauty and love 36:57 – The inspiration and dignity of beauty in spiritual practice 40:47 – Daniel’s journey to embracing faith 44:57 – Pragmatic faith 47:05 – Working with analytical thinking 51:02 – The meta-hindrance of self-loathing 54:05 – Addressing attachment to intellect and drivenness in spiritual practice 58:18 – Daniel’s tips for Vipassana practitioners 1:01:48 – Rapture and awakening 1:05:49 – The analogy of the kazoo player 1:12:25 – How the insight of impermanence changes the experience of concentration 1:16:29 – Stream entry and the over-diagnosis of attainment   You can support the creation of future episodes of this podcast by contributing through Patreon.