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For this, the sixth episode of the third season of The Chauncey DeVega Show, I had the good fortune to chat with Tim Wise.

Tim is one of the United States' leading anti-racist educators and activists. He is the author of numerous books including Dear White America, White Like Me, Speaking Treason Fluently, and Between Barack and a Hard Place. In addition to speaking engagements stateside and internationally, Tim is a frequent guest on MSNBC, CNN, and other media outlets. Tim's website can be found here.

In this episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show, Tim and I talk about the grind of travel, the merits (or not) of reading email and online comments, what it is like to have Nazi pen pals, pathetic black conservative race hustlers, his recent appearance on CNN's Headline News Network, his new documentary Colorblind: The Rise of Post-Racial Politics and the Retreat from Racial Equity, and why the Age of Obama has driven so many white folks--especially on the Right--into a state of mouth-frothing madness.

The format for The Chauncey DeVega Show is that of a virtual bar or salon where two folks sit down and chat with the conversation going where it does naturally. Tim and I have talked over the years via email: this new episode of the podcast series is an extension of that dialogue.