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Episode No. 454 features art historian Diane Waggoner and curator and historian Paul Farber. Waggoner is the author of "Lewis Carroll's Photography and Modern Childhood" which is new from Princeton University Press. The book examines how Carroll's photographs of children helped inform changing English ideas about childhood during the Victorian era. Amazon offers it for $60. Waggoner is a curator at the National Gallery of Art, Washington. On the second segment, Farber discusses Monument Lab's recent two-year research residency at the Pulitzer Foundation for the Arts in Saint Louis. Farber is the co-founder of Monument Lab, a public art and history studio that cultivates conversations around civic monuments.